{"id":140073,"date":"2023-04-10T13:00:32","date_gmt":"2023-04-10T17:00:32","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/?p=140073"},"modified":"2023-04-09T17:05:44","modified_gmt":"2023-04-09T21:05:44","slug":"carson-palmer-patrick-mahomes-joe-burrow-comments","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/2023\/04\/10\/carson-palmer-patrick-mahomes-joe-burrow-comments\/","title":{"rendered":"What Carson Palmer Got Wrong In His Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow Comments"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Former Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer has strong opinions about current <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/2023\/03\/07\/the-ideal-help-for-joe-burrow\/\" target=\"_self\">franchise icon Joe Burrow<\/a>, believing that he is the best in the game and even better than <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/2023\/03\/12\/patrick-mahomes-making-case-for-himself-in-the-goat-debate\/\" target=\"_self\">reigning MVP Patrick Mahomes<\/a>. While there is no denying that both quarterbacks are among the best in the league, this is a hard case to defend, especially when you consider the points Palmer was trying to make.<\/p>\n<h2>Carson Palmer: Joe Burrow Is Better Than Patrick Mahomes<\/h2>\n<p>Speaking on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=TXRUIJymO0M\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\"><em>The QB Room Podcast<\/em><\/a>, Palmer said that &#8220;I believe Joe [Burrow] is the best quarterback in the league. I know Patrick [Mahomes] is phenomenal, but I just think Joe&#8217;s more consistent. He&#8217;s more consistent. He&#8217;s more accountable to run the system and play that&#8217;s called and not feel like, &#8216;Well, he didn&#8217;t win last time and get open for me, so I&#8217;m gonna do it with my feet,&#8217; and then before you know it, you&#8217;re sacked for a four-yard loss because you tried to make two or three guys miss.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>To be fair to Palmer, there is a case to be made about play style here. There is no denying that Mahomes is a more theatrical player compared to Burrow, but Palmer seems to believe that Mahomes&#8217; preference to make plays on his own ultimately hurts his offense and leads to more negative plays, and it&#8217;s hard to back up that point.<\/p>\n<p>According to Pro Football Reference, Joe Burrow was sacked on 41 of his 651 dropbacks, good for a 6.3% sack rate. Mahomes, meanwhile, only took 26 sacks on 667 dropbacks, leading to a dramatically lower sack rate of 3.9%. We know that <a href=\"https:\/\/www.google.com\/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=2ahUKEwipzNXa053-AhVmElkFHQM9A8IQFnoECAwQAQ&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thebiglead.com%2Fposts%2Fsacks-are-a-quarterback-stat-01dxqapkgvw9&amp;usg=AOvVaw2SQpLgYVTgNrc4ftFH6vwK\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">sacks are largely a quarterback stat<\/a>, so we can blame the vast majority of this disparity on Burrow&#8217;s tendency to hold on to the ball and invite unnecessary pressure. Even though Mahomes can bail from clean pockets and make life a little more difficult than it needs to be, what he&#8217;s doing is clearly working better than Burrow.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\" data-width=\"550\" data-dnt=\"true\">\n<p lang=\"en\" dir=\"ltr\">FIFTY (!!) touchdown passes for Patrick Mahomes <a href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/1A7hkthNgj\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">pic.twitter.com\/1A7hkthNgj<\/a><\/p>\n<p>&mdash; CBS Sports (@CBSSports) <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/CBSSports\/status\/1079517337089277954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">December 30, 2018<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h3>Adjusting For Outside Factors<\/h3>\n<p>Quarterbacks play the largest role in determining sack rate, but they&#8217;re far from the only factor at play. Obviously, a good offensive line will provide more time, and reliable weapons get open quicker so quarterbacks don&#8217;t have to hold on to the ball as long. So, could either one of these factors be poisoning the data enough to skew the data this dramatically?<\/p>\n<p>At first glance, this is a plausible explanation. According to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.pff.com\/news\/nfl-final-2022-nfl-offensive-line-rankings\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Pro Football Focus<\/a>, the Chiefs finished the season with the fourth-best offensive line in football, while the Bengals were all the way down at 28th. This discrepancy can explain a portion of the gap between Burrow and Mahomes&#8217; sack rate, but it can&#8217;t explain all of it. The teams in the same tier as Cincinnati at the bottom of that list are the <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/category\/nfl-teams\/seahawks\" target=\"_self\">Seattle Seahawks<\/a> (one better) and <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/category\/nfl-teams\/saints\" target=\"_self\">New Orleans Saints<\/a> (one worse). The primary quarterbacks of those teams had sack rates of 7.4% and 6.2%, respectively. This implies that Burrow took sacks about as often as expected given his blocking.<\/p>\n<p>When using the same process for Mahomes, we can see that he actually avoids sacks at a higher rate than his peers. The <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/category\/nfl-teams\/packers\" target=\"_self\">Green Bay Packers<\/a> came in at third on the list, yet quarterback Aaron Rodgers took a sack on 5.6% of his dropbacks. Marcus Mariota, meanwhile, took a sack on 8.5% of his dropbacks behind Atlanta&#8217;s fifth-ranked offensive line. Mariota&#8217;s astoundingly high figure speaks more about him than anything else, but the fact that Mahomes is so much lower than Rodgers speaks to his elite ability to avoid negative plays.<\/p>\n<p>And when it comes to the weapons, there is no competition. Ja&#8217;Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, and Tyler Boyd form arguably the best offensive trio in football, and their elite ball skills mean that they&#8217;re never truly covered. Burrow should be able to avoid sacks just by having these two get open so early, yet he still takes sacks at a high rate. Mahomes, meanwhile, only had Travis Kelce as an elite weapon.<\/p>\n<p>Joe Burrow is a great young quarterback that is going to terrorize the league for years to come, but he&#8217;s no Patrick Mahomes. Not only is Mahomes a more gifted thrower of the football, but he&#8217;s better at avoiding negative plays.<\/p>\n<p><em>Main Photo: Kareem Elgazzar &#8211; USA Today Sports<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Former Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer thinks Joe Burrow is better than Patrick Mahomes, but it&#8217;s hard to defend that.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2376,"featured_media":140074,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","sfio_featured_image":false,"sfio_embed_code":"","_ef_editorial_meta_date_first-draft-date":"","_ef_editorial_meta_paragraph_assignment":"","_ef_editorial_meta_checkbox_needs-photo":"","_ef_editorial_meta_number_word-count":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[16,7],"tags":[7811,5819,1576],"class_list":["post-140073","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-chiefs","category-bengals","tag-chiefs-featured","tag-joe-burrow","tag-patrick-mahomes"],"modified_by":"David Latham, Managing Editor","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/140073","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2376"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=140073"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/140073\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/140074"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=140073"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=140073"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/nfl\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=140073"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}