{"id":137411,"date":"2023-05-25T07:30:09","date_gmt":"2023-05-25T11:30:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/hockey\/?p=137411"},"modified":"2023-05-24T23:51:36","modified_gmt":"2023-05-25T03:51:36","slug":"a-matter-of-trust-for-allvin-and-fans","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/hockey\/2023\/05\/25\/a-matter-of-trust-for-allvin-and-fans\/","title":{"rendered":"A Matter of Trust for Allvin and Fans"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>How much do Vancouver Canucks fans trust Allvin and Rutherford entering their second offseason? The answer, unsurprisingly, depends on who you ask. A fan base that&#8217;s seen almost* everything has more than enough reason to be suspicious.<\/p>\n<p>Let&#8217;s look at how justified those suspicions are.<\/p>\n<h2>Canucks Fans Want to Trust Allvin<\/h2>\n<p>The biggest hazard to the Vancouver Canucks future success &#8211; according to Canucks fans &#8211; isn&#8217;t singular. Ask, and you&#8217;ll hear plenty and plenty more answers, ranging from &#8220;luck&#8221; to &#8220;Gary Bettman&#8221;. Reality disagrees, but since when have sports been so constrained?<\/p>\n<p>Narrow the options down to actual, plausible reasons and there are a few recurring themes. Ownership pushing for playoff games over long-term strategy is a big one. Bad deals by general managers. Poor scouting and development. An inability to math good and stuff.<\/p>\n<p>There is some justification for considering any of those reasons as the &#8220;main&#8221; one for years of failure. But the truth is that all of these have been part of the Vancouver Canucks&#8217; unfortunate legacy.<\/p>\n<p>Except perhaps that last: the Canucks have been extremely good at getting every dime out of the salary cap. They exploit loopholes and fill corners like no one&#8217;s business. Thing is, with better management, they wouldn&#8217;t need to.<\/p>\n<p>Leading up to the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nhl.com\/nhl-draft\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">NHL entry draft<\/a> on June 28th, what Canucks fans want most of all is to relax. That the team is in good hands. That there is a plan in place that is achievable and sustainable in the long term. They want, in short, to trust Allvin.<\/p>\n<h3>Past Predicting Future<\/h3>\n<p>Everyone knows by now that the Canucks aren&#8217;t going to rebuild. If General Manager Patrik Allvin&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sportsnet.ca\/nhl\/video\/interesting-word-gm-allvin-consider-rebuild-struggling-canucks\/\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">words<\/a> aren&#8217;t enough, then <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/hockey\/2023\/03\/02\/filip-hronek-trade-fulfills-vancouver-canucks-need\/\" target=\"_self\">his actions<\/a> should be. They&#8217;re avoiding saying it, but this isn&#8217;t what a rebuild looks like and everyone knows it.<\/p>\n<p>The opportunity to launch a rebuild was there, with the trade of their captain and a change of managers. They decided &#8211; or, more likely, had decided for them &#8211; that a rebuild wasn&#8217;t an option. So it still isn&#8217;t.<\/p>\n<p>With this very important factor in mind, what has happened since Allvin&#8217;s arrival that should encourage Vancouver Canucks fans? Since making cap space is going to involve some difficult trades, let&#8217;s look at Allvin&#8217;s deals.<\/p>\n<h4>Travis In, Travis Out<\/h4>\n<p>The ultimate in mixed messages happened in Patrik Allvin&#8217;s first two deals. Somehow, he managed to move <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/h\/hamontr01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Travis Hamonic<\/a> to the <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/hockey\/category\/senators\/\" target=\"_self\">Ottawa Senators<\/a>, getting the 80th overall pick in return. A pick for a player on a cumbersome contract! Perfect! Great start to a rebuild!<\/p>\n<p>On the same day, the Canucks sent the 79th overall pick to <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/hockey\/category\/leafs\/\" target=\"_self\">Toronto<\/a> for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/d\/dermotr01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Travis Dermott<\/a>. It was a worthwhile risk, with Dermott never quite finding his space on the Maple Leafs and Vancouver needing help on defence. It also shaved $1.5 million per year off the cap hit.<\/p>\n<p>Alas, Dermott has had an injury-plagued tenure and it&#8217;s a question whether he even gets qualified by Vancouver. It was a small gamble that didn&#8217;t pay off.<\/p>\n<p>The next day, Vancouver moved out fan favourite &#8211; and also injury-ridden &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/m\/mottety01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Tyler Motte<\/a> for a 4th round pick. That ended the Canucks moves for the 2021-22 season and whatever might have been a rebuild.<\/p>\n<h4>Money Matters<\/h4>\n<p>If fans are looking to trust Allvin to wrestle their cap issues to the ground, there is one pure cap move to point to. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/d\/dickija01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Jason Dickinson<\/a>&#8216;s time in Vancouver was, frankly, a disaster. It was a relief for all concerned when the <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/hockey\/category\/blackhawks\/\" target=\"_self\">Chicago Blackhawks<\/a> took him and his two remaining contract years.<\/p>\n<p>That move cost the Canucks a second-round pick and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/s\/stillri01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Riley Stillman<\/a>&#8216;s two years &#8211; though at half the cost of Dickinson. With Stillman flipped to the <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/hockey\/category\/sabres\/\" target=\"_self\">Sabres<\/a> for prospect Josh Bloom, the team eventually shed all of Dickinson&#8217;s cap hit. Depending on Bloom, they may or may not have a player to show for it.<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s frankly about as good as a money-removing deal can go. It was essentially their second-round pick for $2.6 million in cap relief for one year and half of that in another. Bloom is a nice bonus throw at the dartboard, even if Stillman was a miss.<\/p>\n<h4>Shake Shake<\/h4>\n<p>A nightmare start to the season led to their first in-year trade of 2022-23. Trades, really, with two happening on the same day once again.<\/p>\n<p>Getting their first win of the season in eight tries didn&#8217;t stop prospects Michael DiPietro and Jonathan Myrenberg from getting shipped to the <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/hockey\/category\/bruins\/\" target=\"_self\">Boston Bruins<\/a> for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/s\/studnja01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Jack Studnicka<\/a>. The bottom-line forward has found a spot on the Canucks, but will need to fight to hold it this upcoming season.<\/p>\n<p>The team also moved out a fifth-round draft pick to bring in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/b\/bearet01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ethan Bear<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/p\/pederla01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Lane Pederson<\/a>\u00a0from <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/hockey\/category\/hurricanes\/\" target=\"_self\">Carolina<\/a>. Bear, of course, is entering contract negotiations after a decent season for a team that needs him. Pederson was lost on waivers after a solid showing and is currently a <a href=\"https:\/\/puckpedia.com\/salary-cap\/unrestricted-free-agents-ufa#:~:text=A%20player%20becomes%20a%20Group,30%20minutes%20of%20ice%20time.\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Group 6 free agent<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>So, were these two deals &#8220;wins&#8221; for Vancouver? The best player of the lot so far has been Bear, and he didn&#8217;t quite get to the &#8220;good second-pair defenceman&#8221; level. The talent &#8211; and vacancy &#8211; is there for him to do so, but potential doesn&#8217;t mean much if he doesn&#8217;t reach it.<\/p>\n<p>That minor shake-up, by the by, didn&#8217;t save the Canucks&#8217; season.<\/p>\n<h4>What, Deadline Again?<\/h4>\n<p>Two deals happened close to the deadline day that were surprising and not. The surprise was mentioned already, with Stillman getting moved out for Bloom. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/s\/schenlu01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Luke Schenn<\/a> going to Toronto, on the other hand, was absolutely expected.<\/p>\n<p>They can be lumped in with the dart throw that was the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/k\/kravtvi01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Vitali Kravtsov<\/a> trade and the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/l\/lazarcu01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Curtis Lazar<\/a> course correction. These combined moves were perfectly decent returns for parts that aren&#8217;t in Vancouver&#8217;s future.<\/p>\n<h3>Big &#8216;Uns<\/h3>\n<p>There are two more deals to look at in Patrik Allvin&#8217;s brief career as the Canucks general manager. In both of them, he brought a return that addressed positional needs in Vancouver.<\/p>\n<p>A lot has been said of the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/h\/horvabo01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Bo Horvat<\/a> deal, so we&#8217;re going to limit our discussion here. The return &#8211; a <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/hockey\/2023\/02\/02\/bo-horvat-trade-the-first-domino\/\" target=\"_self\">player, pick, and prospect<\/a> &#8211; was good enough given the constraints of time, money, and fit.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/r\/ratyaa01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Aatu R\u00e4ty<\/a> has loads of potential and is still just 20 years old. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/b\/beauvan01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Anthony Beauvillier<\/a> has been fine, if a bit expensive for what he brings. The interesting piece was the first-round pick.<\/p>\n<p>That first went to the Detroit Red Wings in a package for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.hockey-reference.com\/players\/h\/hronefi01.html?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2023-05-24_hr\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Filip Hronek<\/a>, accompanied by the Canucks&#8217; second-round pick. That&#8217;s a whole lot of potential headed out the door for someone who played four games with Vancouver so far.<\/p>\n<p>Of all his deals, this is the one that requires Canucks fans to trust Allvin the most. With just two drafts under this management team&#8217;s belt, the pressure is on the judgement of their pro scouts. That and the ability of Allvin to drive a good bargain.<\/p>\n<h3>Trust Allvin or Bust<\/h3>\n<p>There is certainly potential for Allvin and the Canucks** to make moves in the upcoming draft. They have a good number of mid-round picks which can be combined in deals to move salary or maybe try to recover a second-round pick.<\/p>\n<p>What they do there and in free agency is where the final judgement for 2022-23 will happen. For now, looking at the trades Allvin has made to bring needed players and prospects, is he worth trusting?<\/p>\n<p>So far? Yes.<\/p>\n<p>He&#8217;s made a high-value move under tremendous pressure with the Horvat deal. There have been some risky, lower-level trades which were then moved on from (Kravtsov, Stillman) or not (Lazar) as needed.<\/p>\n<p>And there was a big swing bringing in Hronek after being widely lauded for getting a second first-round pick. Patrik Allvin isn&#8217;t afraid to make deals but hasn&#8217;t been reckless in them, either.<\/p>\n<p>Indeed, his trades seem to be multiple-part maneuvers rather than straightforward &#8220;A for B&#8221; deals. That&#8217;s a bit of a relief, given the added complexity of a hard cap to work around.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s worth remembering he&#8217;s only been in the position for less than a year and a half. Sixteen months is hardly enough to judge him on, especially given what he started with and the constraints of his job.<\/p>\n<p>But he&#8217;s done enough to earn at least some extra time in the driver&#8217;s seat before Canucks fans demand access to the wheel.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><em>*53 years and waiting.<br \/>\n**Novelty album forthcoming?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Main Photo: Bob Frid-USA TODAY Sports<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How much do Vancouver Canucks fans trust Allvin and Rutherford entering their second offseason? The answer, unsurprisingly, depends on who you ask. A fan base that&#8217;s seen almost* everything has more than enough reason to be suspicious. Let&#8217;s look at how justified those suspicions are. 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