{"id":587,"date":"2016-09-12T10:00:44","date_gmt":"2016-09-12T14:00:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lastwordonprobasketball.com\/?p=587"},"modified":"2016-09-12T08:45:47","modified_gmt":"2016-09-12T12:45:47","slug":"klay-thompson-without-steph-curry","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/2016\/09\/12\/klay-thompson-without-steph-curry\/","title":{"rendered":"Where Would Klay Thompson Be Without Stephen Curry?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Imagine a world in which former <strong>NBA<\/strong> player <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/c\/curryde01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Dell Curry<\/a><\/strong> had no children, besides his daughter Sydel. No, that&#8217;s not right. Imagine a world in which Curry&#8217;s only son with the same career choice as him was <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/c\/curryse01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Seth Curry<\/a><\/strong>. Seth is a solid young role player in the league, looking to prove himself after signing a two-year contract with the <strong>Dallas Mavericks<\/strong> this past summer. However, in this scenario, Dell&#8217;s other son isn&#8217;t a pro basketball player. Maybe he <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=CoqDBqm79NY\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">becomes a State Farm agent<\/a>, maybe something else \u2013 just anything other than an NBA player. <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/c\/curryst01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Stephen Curry<\/a><\/strong> doesn&#8217;t take the league by storm, doesn&#8217;t win back-to-back <strong>Most Valuable Player<\/strong> awards, and doesn&#8217;t break numerous records on route to becoming widely considered to be the best shooter of all time. In this scenario, there are no Splash Brothers playing for the <strong>Golden State Warriors<\/strong> \u2013 just one terrific shooter: <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/t\/thompkl01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Klay Thompson<\/a><\/strong>. Without Curry, what happens to Thompson? Let\u2019s try to answer that question, in terms of Thompson\u2019s playing style and public perception, as well as his career\u2019s potential legacy.<\/p>\n<h2><strong>Where Would Klay Thompson Be Without Stephen Curry?<\/strong><\/h2>\n<p>For the purposes of this article, let&#8217;s ignore the butterfly effect and just focus on Thompson. Let&#8217;s say that the Warriors still end up drafting Thompson in 2011. Let\u2019s say that they still feel the need to trade <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/e\/ellismo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Monta Ellis<\/a><\/strong> for <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/b\/bogutan01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Andrew Bogut<\/a><\/strong> in 2012, clearing room for Thompson to start at shooting guard. Assume that they assemble essentially the same team as the one that surrounded Curry and Thompson over the past few years, but without Curry. (In this world, <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/d\/duranke01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Kevin Durant<\/a><\/strong> doesn\u2019t join the Dubs this summer, either). The only major change is Curry being replaced by an average starting point guard. Enjoy your imaginary trip to the Bay Area, <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/h\/hillge01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">George Hill<\/a><\/strong>!<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Playing Style<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>Let\u2019s start with the on-court product. If not for Curry, what would Thompson\u2019s playing style look like? The truth is that Thompson\u2019s game likely wouldn\u2019t change much; he\u2019d just take more of the same types of shots, which would obviously lead to him scoring more points. As the number one option, Thompson would play a lot like an evolutionary <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/a\/allenra02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ray Allen<\/a><\/strong> (from his <strong>Seattle Supersonics<\/strong> days) or <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/m\/millere01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Reggie Miller<\/a> <\/strong>(in his prime years). Similarly to how he does now, Thompson would come off screens for plenty of catch-and-shoot threes every game; the major difference would be the volume of those particular attempts. A player like Hill would primarily be looking for Thompson, rather than his own shots (like Curry does), which would give Thompson many more catch-and-shoot opportunities.<\/p>\n<p>But just like Allen and Miller before him, Thompson\u2019s arsenal goes far beyond easy jumpers off the catch. Thompson can put the ball on the floor and attack the basket, either in isolation or off of a kick-out pass. He\u2019s also great in pick-and-rolls, with a deadly pull-up jumper and plenty of other weapons off the dribble. Thompson\u2019s driving ability, when he\u2019s aggressive, is a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=-bspe0hlJns\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">huge threat<\/a>; but just like with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=ZB37YY72K18\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Allen\u2019s ferocious dunks<\/a>, people overlook that aspect of his game simply because his shooting is so outstanding.<\/p>\n<h4><strong>Thompson Would Top Ray Allen and Reggie Miller<\/strong><\/h4>\n<p>Having made the comparison to Allen and Miller already, it\u2019s worth pointing out that Thompson would actually, in all likelihood, prove to be a <em>better<\/em> player than those two, if he were a number one option. Playing alongside Curry, the NBA\u2019s leading scorer at about 30 points per game last season, Thompson still averaged 22.1 PPG. Without Curry, Thompson would almost surely match and likely exceed Allen\u2019s scoring average of about 26.4 points from the 2006-07 season, the highest that either Allen or Miller achieved in any season during their careers. Equipped with all of the scoring tools to rival the two legends, Thompson also has a solid post game, a valuable skill that Allen and Miller never really developed. Additionally, Thompson is better defensively than Allen and Miller ever were. His ability to guard three positions on the perimeter and take on the assignment of defending a tough opposing scorer each night is game-changing. Without Curry, Thompson might not be able to do that for full games, as he\u2019d already have to carry quite a burden on offense. However, Thompson would still certainly be able to step up and defend great players in key moments of playoff games, something that <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/j\/jamesle01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">LeBron James<\/a><\/strong> has <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sbnation.com\/nba\/2011\/5\/27\/2193005\/lebron-james-defense-derrick-rose-miami-heat-chicago-bulls\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">done in the past<\/a>.<\/p>\n<h3><strong>The Perception and Legacy of Thompson Without Curry<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>Now, just remember one thing: in this fictional world, Curry isn&#8217;t just on a different NBA team; he&#8217;s out of the picture entirely. We&#8217;re not just erasing Steph Curry as Klay Thompson&#8217;s teammate; we&#8217;re erasing <em>the concept<\/em> of Steph Curry. Erasing the concept of a guy who can make 12 threes in a game, including a <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=GEMVGHoenXM\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">game-winning shot from nearly half-court<\/a>. Erasing the concept of a guy who can make over 400 threes in a season, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sbnation.com\/2016\/4\/15\/11437346\/steph-curry-golden-state-warriors-3-point-record\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">more than the totals of six different <em>teams<\/em><\/a> in certain individual seasons from 2007 to 2012. Why is that important? Well, because it gives Thompson a whole new legacy, beyond just the Allen\/Miller thing. In this scenario, <em>Thompson<\/em> is the one who becomes the greatest shooter of all time.<\/p>\n<h4><strong>Thompson\u2019s Potential Legacy<\/strong><\/h4>\n<p>Curry has three of the top four seasons ever in terms of total three-pointers made; Thompson has the other one, which he achieved this past season. Sure, Curry lapped the field by over 120 threes, but think about the imagined scenario. With Curry not around to jack up over 11 threes per game, Thompson could shoot and make <em>even more<\/em> threes than he and Curry each have over the past few years. Keep in mind that even though he didn\u2019t match Curry, Thompson still attempted more than eight threes per game, while maintaining incredible efficiency at 42.5 percent from beyond the arc. Without Curry, Thompson would continue to tear the league apart with moments like his <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=5nyBpt9tRsg\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">historic 37-point quarter<\/a>, but Curry wouldn&#8217;t be there to outshine him. Instead, <em>Thompson<\/em> might be the one making people <a href=\"http:\/\/www.espn.com\/blog\/golden-state-warriors\/post\/_\/id\/548\/currys-unlikely-dominance-leads-to-unlikely-mvp\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">re-think what&#8217;s possible on a basketball court<\/a> and even <a href=\"http:\/\/www.espn.com\/nba\/story\/_\/id\/14855509\/mark-cuban-dallas-mavericks-says-nba-mull-moving-3-point-arc-back\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">suggest changing the rules<\/a> to account for his incredible proficiency from the outside. Just by doing what he does now, but shooting as much as Curry currently does, Thompson would be able to shock people with his incredible shooting and carve out a legacy as the best shooter ever. After all, in a world where Curry\u2019s legendary shooting performances never happened, Thompson\u2019s accomplishments would appear all the more impressive.<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Would Thompson Become Less Efficient?<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>Some might argue that Thompson&#8217;s efficiency would drop off without Curry there to draw attention away from him, and they wouldn\u2019t be wrong. Curry also forces the opposing team&#8217;s best perimeter defender to guard him, rather than Thompson, for most of the game. The thinking is that Curry has made Thompson a much better player, no different than the effect that other great players, especially point guards, have on their teammates. Perhaps Thompson wouldn&#8217;t shoot as well, or at as high a volume, without Curry there to push him to improve in practice and elsewhere.<\/p>\n<p>But even if Thompson were to lose some efficiency, he\u2019d still be an incredible shot maker. He routinely hits tough fade-away jumpers, contested threes, and countless shots that other players couldn\u2019t dream of making. Curry had very little to do with some of Thompson\u2019s best performances ever, including the aforementioned 37-point quarter and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=09AqpNPiZ8g\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">his lights out shooting in Game 6<\/a> of last season\u2019s <strong>Western Conference Finals<\/strong>. In the latter performance, Thompson almost singlehandedly saved Golden State\u2019s season, willing them to victory with his shooting. He made shots that were just about as contested as humanly possible, and weren\u2019t influenced by Curry\u2019s presence on the floor. So Thompson might be less efficient without Curry, but he certainly wouldn\u2019t be any less efficient than another star like <strong><a href=\"http:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/g\/georgpa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&amp;utm_source=direct&amp;utm_medium=linker-\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Paul George<\/a><\/strong>, who shot below 42 percent from the field last season. If anything,\u00a0his effective\u00a0field goal\u00a0percentage might improve because of his expected increase in three-point attempts.<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Curry Without Thompson Beats Thompson Without Curry<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>It must have crossed your mind, at some point during this exercise, that if this scenario were reversed, Curry would be better off than Thompson and perhaps even more remarkable than he is currently. That&#8217;s absolutely correct, but it&#8217;s irrelevant to the point. Everyone already knows how great Curry is, from hardcore NBA fans to people who just watch clips of him taking <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=IVVQjkDDahg\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">the tunnel shot<\/a> on <strong>SportsCenter<\/strong>. Without Thompson to rival Curry and make him seem human, perhaps Curry would have even more of a mystique. But besides that, Curry has already achieved countless incredible things. Maybe he could do even more, in this imaginary scenario, but <a href=\"http:\/\/www.usatoday.com\/story\/sports\/nba\/2016\/02\/22\/stephen-curry-lebron-james-michael-jordan-magic-johnson-wilt-chamberlain\/80604040\/\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">it doesn&#8217;t get much more elite than winning the MVP in consecutive seasons<\/a>. Fans are <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sfchronicle.com\/warriors\/article\/Stephen-Curry-s-pregame-routine-draws-a-crowd-6674130.php\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">lining up an hour and a half before games<\/a> just to watch Curry warm up; in this scenario, would they show up even earlier? No. There&#8217;s a certain limit that Curry would reach, because he&#8217;s already been a clear number one option and superstar for years. But Thompson has played second fiddle his whole career. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s so fascinating to dream of what Klay would be if Curry wasn&#8217;t there to overshadow him.<\/p>\n<h3><strong>Conclusions<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p>All of these counterarguments are useless \u2013 not because they\u2019re not true, but because they don\u2019t really refute the point of this exercise. Yes, Curry would be better off without Thompson than the other way around \u2013 so what? We\u2019re trying to see how Thompson would look as \u201cthe guy\u201d, which Curry already is, so thinking about the reverse scenario is irrelevant. Maybe Thompson would be less efficient without Curry, but that should be expected of a player who\u2019s never been a number one option. He\u2019d still be great, and he\u2019d be even more prolific as an all-around scorer.<\/p>\n<p>The main point is that Thompson isn&#8217;t, nor will he ever be appreciated for how mind-blowing some of his performances and accomplishments have been. And that&#8217;s simply because his teammate&#8217;s accomplishments have been <em>more<\/em> mind-blowing \u2013 there&#8217;s no other reason.<\/p>\n<p>With Durant, yet another historically great scorer and perimeter shooter, joining the Warriors this summer, Thompson will surely see his role reduced even further. But you know what? Thompson is fine with that, as he should be. In fact, all of his public statements indicate that he&#8217;s been happy for Curry during the MVP&#8217;s spectacular two-year run, and he\u2019s thrilled about the addition of Durant. That&#8217;s what being a good teammate, and by extension, a good friend, is all about. Klay Thompson doesn\u2019t feel the need to demand more shots or an alpha dog scoring role. He doesn\u2019t need to be the best shooter ever \u2013 even if he feels like he is sometimes \u2013 because his teammate has that title. But it\u2019s fun to imagine Klay taking on that role and becoming the player that everyone knows he can be.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Main photo:<\/p>\n<div class=\"getty embed image\" style=\"background-color: #fff; display: inline-block; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue',Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; color: #a7a7a7; font-size: 11px; width: 100%; max-width: 594px;\">\n<div style=\"padding: 0; margin: 0; text-align: left;\"><a style=\"color: #a7a7a7; text-decoration: none; font-weight: normal !important; border: none; display: inline-block;\" href=\"http:\/\/www.gettyimages.com\/detail\/541547580\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Embed from Getty Images<\/a><\/div>\n<div style=\"overflow: hidden; position: relative; height: 0; padding: 79.124579% 0 0 0; width: 100%;\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" style=\"display: inline-block; position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0; width: 100%; height: 100%; margin: 0;\" src=\"\/\/embed.gettyimages.com\/embed\/541547580?et=ZLBBYjSfSZt-206p5wHJ6w&amp;viewMoreLink=on&amp;sig=-OzJ24YWi5Zn_AdcfPnpRlDy_8L8DLeMCw6drvdRnWk=&amp;caption=true\" width=\"594\" height=\"470\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p style=\"margin: 0;\">\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Klay Thompson is a terrific player, but just how great is he? Where might he be if Steph Curry not only wasn\u2019t his teammate, but wasn\u2019t an NBA star at all?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":946,"featured_media":591,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","sfio_featured_image":false,"sfio_embed_code":"","_ef_editorial_meta_date_first-draft-date":"","_ef_editorial_meta_paragraph_assignment":"","_ef_editorial_meta_checkbox_needs-photo":"","_ef_editorial_meta_number_word-count":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[2,25,62],"tags":[65,182,70,96,264,265,48],"class_list":["post-587","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-featured","category-warriors","category-nba","tag-basketball","tag-golden-state-warriors","tag-klay-thompson","tag-nba","tag-ray-allen","tag-reggie-miller","tag-stephen-curry"],"modified_by":"Ben Kerr","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/587","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/946"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=587"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/587\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/591"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=587"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=587"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=587"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}