{"id":119990,"date":"2025-01-25T15:00:05","date_gmt":"2025-01-25T20:00:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/?p=119990"},"modified":"2025-01-25T15:00:05","modified_gmt":"2025-01-25T20:00:05","slug":"doc-rivers-wrong-jimmy-butler-ben-simmons-parallel","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/2025\/01\/25\/doc-rivers-wrong-jimmy-butler-ben-simmons-parallel\/","title":{"rendered":"Doc Rivers Wrong To Make Jimmy Butler-Ben Simmons Parallel"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>History often repeats itself. That being said, Milwaukee Bucks head coach Doc Rivers made an interesting comment when he asked about the Miami Heat&#8217;s situation with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/b\/butleji01.html\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Jimmy Butler<\/a>. After relaying that he hopes &#8220;they find a way through it&#8221; (h\/t South Florida Sun-Sentinel reporter Ira Winderman), he made a parallel between <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/2025\/01\/24\/jimmy-butler-trade-holding-pattern\/\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_self\">the Heat-Butler saga<\/a> and his experience with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/s\/simmobe01.html\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ben Simmons<\/a> during his time as the Philadelphia 76ers head coach.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I feel terrible for Spo,&#8221; he says, perhaps thinking of himself. &#8220;There&#8217;s no winning for Spo.&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">Doc Rivers on Butler-gate, &#8220;I just hope they find a way through it.&#8221; Says he has dealt with the Ben Simmons situation in Philadelphia. Adds, &#8220;I feel terrible for Spo. There&#8217;s no winning for Spo.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Ira Winderman (@IraHeatBeat) <a  href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/IraHeatBeat\/status\/1882578347898900859?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">January 23, 2025<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<h2>Doc Rivers Errs With Jimmy Butler-Ben Simmons Parallel<\/h2>\n<p>To some, Rivers&#8217;s comments were harmless.<\/p>\n<p>He&#8217;s often gone to bat for people in the coach&#8217;s chair, demonstrating a certain empathy for his peers. Even when the Bucks fired first-year head coach Adrian Griffin, favoring Rivers&#8217;s veteran voice, he was critical of the decision. It&#8217;s to be expected of someone who&#8217;s been in the profession for over 25 years.<\/p>\n<p>Yet, the situation that occurred with Simmons is a reminder that &#8211;like Heat president Pat Riley &#8211;he wasn&#8217;t blameless. Taking a trip down memory lane, the turning point of Simmons&#8217; relationship with Rivers and the Sixers was Game 7 of the 2021 Eastern Conference Semifinals.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"YouTube video player\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/wTOWUofqSwk?si=R1-jMO7ldQM-okWy\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Philadelphia was down two points (88-86) with three and a half minutes remaining in the fourth quarter. Simmons began backing down Atlanta Hawks forward <a href=\"https:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/g\/gallida01.html\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Danilo Gallinari<\/a>, who overplayed the post-up. After spinning towards the rim, Simmons found himself with an open dunk but instead, he dumped the ball off to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/t\/thybuma01.html\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Matisse Thybulle<\/a> in the dunker&#8217;s spot.<\/p>\n<p>By the end of the game, he was on the bench, back in his warm-ups.<\/p>\n<p>The play is one of the more infamous in NBA history. Many believe it epitomized Simmons&#8217;s lack of confidence. Simmons himself has said he would &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.smh.com.au\/sport\/from-our-greatest-basketball-export-to-us-sporting-pariah-can-simmons-bounce-back-20220726-p5b4mm.html\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">go up strong<\/a>&#8221; if he had the chance to do it over, per The Sydney Morning Herald&#8217;s Konrad Marshall. Unfortunately, there are no do-overs in life. The aftermath is all that we&#8217;re left with.<\/p>\n<h3>Mixed Signals<\/h3>\n<p>Following Simmons&#8217;s snafu, Rivers was asked if Simmons could be the point guard on a championship team. Instead of defending his player, he told reporters: &#8220;I don&#8217;t know&#8230;&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">&#8220;I don&#8217;t know the answer to that question right now.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>Doc Rivers on if Ben Simmons can be the point guard on a championship team <a  href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/JPR3xAQj9B\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/t.co\/JPR3xAQj9B<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Bleacher Report (@BleacherReport) <a  href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/BleacherReport\/status\/1406811040214511617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">June 21, 2021<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Three years later, Rivers would tell ESPN&#8217;s Jamal Collier that it was a &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.espn.com\/nba\/story\/_\/id\/39593942\/dame-giannis-lessons-ben-simmons-saga-doc-rivers-first-month-bucks\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">terrible press conference<\/a>.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI had a terrible press conference after that Game 7,\u201d Rivers says. \u201cWe lost. I said something \u2014 I meant something different, but it was taken differently. That started it.&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I don&#8217;t know if the whole Ben thing was going to happen regardless, but I didn&#8217;t like me being a part of that. So your first thing is, how can I handle that better? How can I answer that question better?&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Keep in mind that as recently as 2022, he was <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=eW0ndIjLbWk\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">telling anyone who would listen<\/a> that his comments weren&#8217;t a factor in Simmons&#8217;s fallout with Philadelphia. Maybe that&#8217;s why <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nytimes.com\/athletic\/4075358\/2021\/11\/12\/ben-simmons-feels-76ers-want-to-force-him-to-play-team-responds-exclusive\/\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">he didn&#8217;t apologize<\/a> to Simmons for making comments that are usually reserved for the locker room.<\/p>\n<h3>Players Are People Too<\/h3>\n<p>Sixers president Daryl Morey only met with the star one time during the ugly saga and that conversation was about his playing status. Instead of looking at the star as a person, he focused on the bottom-line; that he&#8217;s an employee. That&#8217;s the same problem that Riley and Heat owner Micky Arison <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/2025\/01\/15\/pat-riley-role-heat-drama-cautionary-tale\/\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_self\">have had in regards<\/a> to Butler.<\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s among the reasons that Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul, Simmons&#8217;s former agent, balked at the way Philly treated his client. After Simmons told the Sixers he wasn&#8217;t mentally prepared to play, they offered resources. However, they also seemed to be rushing him back on the floor. In fact, Simmons tells Marshall that he told Rivers directly that he wasn&#8217;t ready and that the coach&#8217;s response was: &#8220;Well, I\u2019m going to put you out there regardless.&#8221;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cI still wasn\u2019t ready in my head. I wasn\u2019t in a place to get on the court and play. I went to Coach and said, \u2018I\u2019m not ready yet to get back on the court, I need some time.\u2019 He says, \u2018Well, I\u2019m going to put you out there regardless,\u2019\u2006\u201d Simmons says, shaking his head. \u201cOkay, so now you\u2019re just trying to **** with me.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>So when Simmons says &#8220;your coaches are supposed to have your back&#8221; and that he &#8220;didn\u2019t have that at all,&#8221; he&#8217;s completely right. After all, when most players are trying to get back comfortable from a mental standpoint, coaches give them grace. For example, this season Bucks forward <a href=\"https:\/\/www.basketball-reference.com\/players\/m\/middlkh01.html\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Khris Middleton<\/a> was medically cleared to play but didn&#8217;t return <a href=\"https:\/\/andscape.com\/features\/milwaukee-bucks-forward-khris-middleton-faces-challenges-in-return-to-court\/\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">until he was mentally ready<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Instead of forcing Middleton on the court or <a href=\"https:\/\/www.libertyballers.com\/2021\/10\/19\/22734995\/ben-simmons-suspension-joel-embiid-doc-rivers\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">kicking him out of practice<\/a>, Rivers allowed him to take his time.<\/p>\n<h3>He&#8217;s No Erik Spoelstra<\/h3>\n<p>Rivers can&#8217;t put himself in the same boat as the Heat&#8217;s head coach. There has never been a point in which Spoelstra has seemed to throw a player under the bus. When he speaks about Butler, there&#8217;s respect. Even now, he refuses to be goaded into making nasty remarks about him.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"twitter-tweet\">\n<p dir=\"ltr\" lang=\"en\">Erik Spoelstra was asked about Jimmy Butler\u2019s \u201clanguid\u201d play and how to work around it.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI know what you\u2019re trying to get out of me, you\u2019re not going to get anything worth while, it just wasn\u2019t a very inspiring first three quarters by the whole group\u2026\u201d <a  href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/hashtag\/HeatNation?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">#HeatNation<\/a> <a  href=\"https:\/\/t.co\/yd2jXDWYlp\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">pic.twitter.com\/yd2jXDWYlp<\/a><\/p>\n<p>\u2014 Zachary Weinberger (@ZachWeinberger) <a  href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/ZachWeinberger\/status\/1881910763364942173?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">January 22, 2025<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><script async src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/widgets.js\" charset=\"utf-8\"><\/script><\/p>\n<p>Spoelstra obviously isn&#8217;t in an ideal position. However, unlike Rivers, he&#8217;s not making it worse. That&#8217;s why he <em>can<\/em> win in this situation.<\/p>\n<p>When the dust settles, he&#8217;ll be on good terms with Butler, whether he&#8217;s on the team or not. With that in mind, it&#8217;s worth noting that Butler could opt into his contract for 2025-26, possibly keeping him in Miami for another season. If so, the Heat can at least be sure that <em>their<\/em> partnership can hold that long.<\/p>\n<p>Conversely, if a trade for Butler does materialize, Spoelstra&#8217;s reputation will precede him. The next star will come into the organization knowing that his head coach will protect him before he criminalizes him. That could be the difference in whether or not a franchise-altering talent decides to join the Heat. Frankly, nobody wants to win the blame game or be on a team that plays it.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>History often repeats itself. That being said, Milwaukee Bucks head coach Doc Rivers made an interesting comment when he asked about the Miami Heat&#8217;s situation with Jimmy Butler. After relaying that he hopes &#8220;they find a way through it&#8221; (h\/t South Florida Sun-Sentinel reporter Ira Winderman), he made a parallel between the Heat-Butler saga and [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5008,"featured_media":120018,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_lmt_disableupdate":"","_lmt_disable":"","sfio_featured_image":false,"sfio_embed_code":"","_ef_editorial_meta_date_first-draft-date":"","_ef_editorial_meta_paragraph_assignment":"","_ef_editorial_meta_checkbox_needs-photo":"","_ef_editorial_meta_number_word-count":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[13,1608,6,16,15,62,4721],"tags":[266,190,583,142,596,4774],"class_list":["post-119990","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-76ers","category-basketball","category-nets","category-heat","category-bucks","category-nba","category-trade-rumors","tag-ben-simmons","tag-doc-rivers","tag-erik-spoelstra","tag-jimmy-butler","tag-nba-playoffs","tag-rumors"],"modified_by":"Quenton S Albertie","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/119990","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5008"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=119990"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/119990\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":120020,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/119990\/revisions\/120020"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/120018"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=119990"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=119990"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/basketball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=119990"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}