{"id":71375,"date":"2024-04-25T15:00:29","date_gmt":"2024-04-25T19:00:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/?p=71375"},"modified":"2024-04-25T14:43:28","modified_gmt":"2024-04-25T18:43:28","slug":"white-sox-1962-mets","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/2024\/04\/25\/white-sox-1962-mets\/","title":{"rendered":"The 2024 White Sox are the 1962 Mets, Without the Comedy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The 2024 Chicago White Sox might be the team that surpasses the 1962 New York Mets as the worst team in modern baseball history. The 1962 Mets were 40-120. After 24 games, the White Sox are 3-21, which translates to a 20-142 record over 162 games. Forget the 1962 Mets \u2013 such a record would be worse than even the 1899 Cleveland Spiders. Yes, it\u2019s early in the season. But nothing is pointing to a fast turnaround, or any kind of turnaround, for the Chisox.<\/p>\n<p>Unfortunately, where the 1962 Mets were a lovable underdog, the White Sox are generally detested by their fans, if social media is any indication. The White Sox are the only large market team in a relatively weak division, in a league that gives a disproportionate advantage to large market teams. Their fans find it unconscionable that their team could be so bad.<\/p>\n<p>In contrast, the Mets were an expansion team with low expectations. The day before their home opener, the Mets were given a parade in New York. The parade stopped at the steps of City Hall. It was there with the entire team present that attorney William Shea, who was instrumental in getting the expansion team for New York, asked for patience until they could get some good players.<\/p>\n<h2>White Sox Are A lot Like the 1962 Mets<\/h2>\n<h3>&#8220;A Lot of Passed Balls&#8221;<\/h3>\n<p>The Mets hired New York Yankee legend <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/s\/stengca01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Casey Stengel<\/a> to be their first manager. The Houston Colt .45s (today the Astros) entered the National League in 1962 as well. Both teams selected unprotected players from the other 18 major league teams in the 1961 expansion draft. With their first pick in the draft, the Mets chose catcher <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/l\/landrho01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Hobie Landrith<\/a>. Asked to explain the choice, Stengel said, \u201cYou gotta have a catcher or you\u2019re gonna have a lot of passed balls.\u201d Of another catcher, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/g\/goossgr01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Greg Goossen<\/a>, Stengel said, \u201cHe\u2019s 20 years old and in 10 years, he\u2019s got a chance to be 30\u201d. The Mets had two pitchers named <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/search\/search.fcgi?pid=millebo04,millebo03,millebo02,millebo01,millebo05&amp;search=Bob+Miller&amp;utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Bob Miller<\/a>. They were differentiated in box scores by their middle initials. Mets fans called Bob L. Miller the \u201cbetter\u201d Bob Miller. Stengel called Bob G. Miller \u201cNelson.\u201d While the Mets finished 40-120, Houston drafted smarter and finished 64-96.<br \/>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/9T2T-Ijocnk?si=ciVSAyo_oOE5KFIS\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><br \/>\nMets president George Weiss\u2019s strategy was to draft a few big names, including a few past-their-prime former Brooklyn Dodgers, to attract attendance. Thus, the average age of the team was 29.3. Among the old Dodgers drafted were <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/c\/craigro01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Roger Craig<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/h\/hodgegi01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Gil Hodges<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/l\/labincl01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Clem Labine<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/n\/nealch01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Charlie Neal<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/p\/pignajo01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Joe Pignatano<\/a>, and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/z\/zimmedo01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Don Zimmer<\/a>. Hodges was 38 years old. In his two previous seasons in Los Angeles, he hit a combined .221\/.302\/.371. Others in the twilight of their careers who the Mets drafted or acquired in 1962 included <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/a\/ashburi01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Richie Ashburn<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/b\/bellgu01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Gus Bell<\/a>, and \u201cthe original\u201d <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/t\/thomafr03.shtml\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Frank Thomas<\/a> (not the future White Sox star). Their home games would be played in the Polo Grounds, where the New York Giants had played. (Stengel called it the \u201cPolar Grounds.\u201d) The Mets adopted Dodger blue and Giant orange as their colors. They were going all out to attract New York\u2019s former NL fans.<\/p>\n<h3>Hot Rod, the Better Miller, and Chiti<\/h3>\n<p>The Mets didn\u2019t win a game until their 10th game of 1962, beating the Pittsburgh Pirates, 9-1, at Forbes Field. The first home win after seven losses came on April 28 against the Philadelphia Phillies. The Mets roared back from a 6-1 deficit with a six-run sixth inning. The winning run was scored when pinch runner <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/k\/kanehro01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Rod Kanehl<\/a> scored from second base on a wild pitch. Stengel was so happy he told \u201cHot Rod\u201d he could stay in the game and play whatever position he wanted. Kanehl inserted himself at third base, moved third baseman <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/m\/mantife01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Felix Mantilla<\/a> to shortstop, and put the new pitcher in the shortstop\u2019s spot in the batting order.<\/p>\n<p>On May 27 in Candlestick Park, the Mets held a 5-2 lead in the bottom of the eighth inning. The Giants came back to tie, with the tying single having been delivered by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/a\/aloufe01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Felipe Alou<\/a>. Bob L. Miller relieved. On three consecutive pitches, Miller threw two pitches to the backstop followed by a passed ball by catcher <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/c\/chitiha01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Harry Chiti<\/a>. Alou, who was credited with a stolen base on the second \u201cwild pitch,\u201d scored and the Giants won, 6-5.<\/p>\n<h3>Marvelous Marv, the Almost Triple, and a Triple Play<\/h3>\n<p>However, the most famous 1962 Met moment occurred at the Polo Grounds on Father\u2019s Day against the Chicago Cubs. In May, the Mets traded Landrith to the Baltimore Orioles for erstwhile Yankee <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/t\/thronma01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Marv Throneberry<\/a>. On this day, with the Cubs leading 4-1 in the bottom of the first, \u201cMarvelous Marv\u201d hit what appeared to be a one-out, two-run triple. On appeal, the umpire called him out for missing second base. As Stengel came out to argue, either the umpire or the first base coach \u2013 accounts differ \u2013 told Stengel not to bother. Throneberry had missed first base, too. Neal followed with a solo homer. The Mets lost, 8-7. Throneberry would achieve stardom in beer commercials.<br \/>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/aNbRNzzHW28?si=yWdKG_5KdKsapRMw\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\"><\/iframe><br \/>\nBy now the reader gets the picture, so we\u2019ll skip all the way to the eighth inning of the season\u2019s final game. At Wrigley Field, the Cubs were ahead of the Mets, 5-1. The Mets appeared to have the beginning of a rally. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/d\/drakesa01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Sammy Drake<\/a> and Ashburn started the inning with singles. Pignatano came up and blooped a fly ball into shallow right field. Cubs second baseman <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/h\/hubbske01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ken Hubbs<\/a> made a spectacular catch and turned it into a triple play when Drake and Ashburn ventured too far off base. It was a fitting end to the season.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe\u2019ve got to learn to stay out of triple plays,\u201d lamented Stengel afterward.<\/p>\n<h3>How About Those White Sox?<\/h3>\n<p>What can one say about the 2024 White Sox that hasn\u2019t already been said about the eruption of Mount Vesuvius? Their <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/2024\/04\/13\/three-causes-white-sox-start\/\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_self\">slow start<\/a> morphed into the <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/2024\/04\/15\/white-sox-worst-15-game-start\/\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_self\">worst start in their history<\/a>, at which time it became painfully obvious they were <a href=\"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/2024\/04\/20\/white-sox-lose-100-games\/\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_self\">on their way to a 100-loss season<\/a>. They rank at or near the bottom of the American League in most batting and pitching categories. Their team slash line is a putrid .189\/.263\/.292 with an OPS+ of 62. As a team, they have an ERA of 5.20 and a 1.471 WHIP. They are the first MLB team to be shut out in eight of their first 22 games. We needn\u2019t run through their season in detail, but one recent loss stood out.<\/p>\n<p>On Tuesday, the White Sox lost to the Minnesota Twins in a 1962 Mets-fashion. Carrying a 5-4 lead into the bottom of the ninth at Target Field, Sox reliever <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/w\/wilsost02.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Steven Wilson<\/a> surrendered a leadoff homer to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/b\/buxtoby01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Byron Buxton<\/a>. One out later, he walked <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/search\/search.fcgi?pid=santaca01,santan005car&amp;search=Carlos+Santana&amp;utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Carlos Santana<\/a>, he of the .149 batting average. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/j\/jeffery01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Ryan Jeffers<\/a> then blooped a catchable fly ball to left field that was misplayed into a double by left fielder <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/b\/beninan01.shtml\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Andrew Benintendi<\/a>. Finally, with two outs, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/k\/kirilal01.shtml\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Alex Kirilloff<\/a> singled to win the game for Minnesota.<br \/>\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/streamable.com\/m\/steven-wilson-in-play-run-s-to-alex-kirilloff?partnerId=web_video-playback-page_video-share\" width=\"560\" height=\"315\"><\/iframe><\/p>\n<h3>So, Who&#8217;s Worse: the 2024 White Sox or the 1962 Mets?<\/h3>\n<p>It\u2019s tough to compare teams of different eras. The Mets\u2019 team slash line was .240\/.318\/.361, light years better than the White Sox, even with pitchers batting. The team OPS+ was 82. The Mets\u2019 team ERA and WHIP were 5.04 and 1.502, respectively. The starting rotation for the Mets had two 20-game losers in Craig (10-24) and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/j\/jacksal01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Al Jackson<\/a> (8-20). <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/h\/hookja01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Jay Hook<\/a> at 8-19 came perilously close to giving them a third. The Chisox have a four-game loser in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/c\/crochga01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Garrett Crochet<\/a> and two three-game losers in <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/s\/sorokmi01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Michael Soroka<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/players\/f\/flexech01.shtml?utm_medium=linker&amp;utm_source=lastwordonsports.com&amp;utm_campaign=2024-04-25_br\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Chris Flexen<\/a>, even though April isn\u2019t over yet.<\/p>\n<p>At bat, the White Sox lack power. Their 14-team homers are last in the AL. The Mets at least got 34 home runs from Thomas. Their team total of 139 ranked sixth among 10 NL teams. The Mets\u2019 leading hitter was Ashburn at .306. Nobody on the White Sox is on track to approach either Thomas or Ashburn.<\/p>\n<h3>The Last Word<\/h3>\n<p>Somehow, New York loved its 1962 Mets. They were considered funny and charming in their ineptitude. Unfortunately for the 2024 White Sox, it\u2019s a different time. Players change teams so often that they\u2019re no longer people we feel like we know. It makes us less forgiving of mistakes and poor play, and less likely to embrace a team having a bad year. Players are under the microscope more than ever thanks to cable TV and social media. For many, they\u2019re just pawns in fantasy leagues or on betting apps. These White Sox won\u2019t be as beloved as those Mets. Their manager, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.baseball-reference.com\/managers\/grifope99.shtml\" target=\"_blank\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Pedro Grifol<\/a>, isn\u2019t as funny and entertaining as Stengel. Even if he were, White Sox fans wouldn\u2019t find him funny anyway. Hopefully, Grifol and the White Sox players and coaches weather what is likely to be a rough year.<\/p>\n<p>So, let\u2019s get to the point. Which team is better? Despite inferior overall stats, the 2024 White Sox would beat the 1962 Mets in head-to-head competition. Consider that all but 10 1962 Mets are dead, and the survivors are well into their 80s.<\/p>\n<p><em>Main Photo: \u00a9 Matt Blewett-USA TODAY Sports<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The 2024 Chicago White Sox might be the team that surpasses the 1962 New York Mets as the worst team in modern baseball history. The 1962 Mets were 40-120. After 24 games, the White Sox are 3-21, which translates to a 20-142 record over 162 games. Forget the 1962 Mets \u2013 such a record would [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":5010,"featured_media":71409,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_lmt_disableupdate":"no","_lmt_disable":"","sfio_featured_image":false,"sfio_embed_code":"","_ef_editorial_meta_date_first-draft-date":"","_ef_editorial_meta_paragraph_assignment":"","_ef_editorial_meta_checkbox_needs-photo":"","_ef_editorial_meta_number_word-count":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[10,1071],"tags":[7448,660,4331,5020,3614,3542,28382,164,6053,6452],"class_list":["post-71375","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-whitesox","category-mlb","tag-alex-kirilloff","tag-byron-buxton","tag-casey-stengel","tag-chris-flexen","tag-garrett-crochet","tag-gil-hodges","tag-michael-soroka","tag-new-york-mets","tag-pedro-grifol","tag-steven-wilson"],"modified_by":"Matt Graves","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/71375","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/5010"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=71375"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/71375\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/71409"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=71375"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=71375"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/lastwordonsports.com\/baseball\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=71375"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}